Just wanted to wish you a happy and prosperous New Year. Al, Tee and I stopped briefly in Montreal and are now visiting friends on the East Coast. Having a great time, expect for a few blizzards. Hear you are having some interesting weather too.
Wanted to make sure everything is going fine and also to make sure it is ok to cash your cheque. Planning on heading over to Money Mart tomorrow. They usually ask for a phone number and I forgot to bring yours.
Let us know.
Tee says send his regards to Ruby.
Hi Lesa -
Happy new year to you all too. Hope all is well with everyone.
Lesa, I'm sorry to say I put a stop payment on your cheque. I (and Mike and Michelle too) received notice from the Public Guardian's office that all rent cheques were to be made to them going forward. I spoke to Karen somebody at that office a few weeks ago and this was confirmed. So until I'm notified otherwise by the Public Guardian's office, that is who I will be sending the cheques to and you will not be able to cash the cheques I gave you. In fact, I would appreciate if you would send them back to me at your earliest convenience.
All is well here at the house. Mike and Michelle are away somewhere warm right now and Ruby and I are holding down the fort.
Bye for now. Take care.
We did not to want to get our tenants involved in this.
I am forwarding you all details necessary and if you need any proof I have it. I have kept records of everything possible.
What has happened to me has been criminal to put it mildly. I really wish someone would have contacted us before they just sent the money to the Public Guardian. These people will be under investigation and right now I am looking for the right lawyer to take on my case. They are well aware of this. I have also contacted a Human Rights Group who are assisting me in exposing what looks to be highly suspicious and criminal.
Al, Tee and I are now in the position where we have absolutely no access to funds. We are down to our last $100. This I feel has been a deliberate move on their part. It is difficult finding a lawyer in Toronto when you don't have access to funds.
I have discussed my case with many people and it is obvious that I need to sue these people, along with a few more. It is an extremely complicated case.
I would ask that you please put a stop payment on the Public Guardian's cheques. Once you read what has transpired I trust you will understand my side. I ask that you please allow this rent cheque to go through. We will literally be penniless if you don't.
The Public Guardian will have robbed yet another unsuspecting person. Namely you.
Please email me as soon as you read this. Right now I am feeling very sick with worry. I have no idea how we are going to survive anymore of this stress.
I will email you the details of what has transpired shortly. I just have to update it. This story seems to be never ending.
I really hope people come through and understand who the bad guys are. I am sick and tired of seeing different institutions getting bailed out (i.e. banks, government) while innocent bystanders are left to perish, lose their homes, health, and sanity. Just watch the news. It is about time we ban together and stop these atrocities.
Hi Lesa -
I don't know what to say except I'm really sorry that you're going through all of this. I know that you (and Al) are really good people...you've been very kind to me (and Ruby) and if there's something I can do to help you, I will. I'm only too aware of the shortcomings of the mental health system. My mother has been abused by it for years. Though my heart is with you, you can't ask me to simply ignore a legal notice I received. I have myself to think about here and I can't jeopardize my own situation and be on the hook for something that has nothing to do with me. If it's any consolation, The Public Guardian did not ask for post-dated cheques, all they have from me right now is a cheque for January. As soon as I'm notified by them that I can issue cheques to you again, I will. In the meantime, I'm so sorry, but I feel my hands are tied and I must abide by the notice that was given to me. Though the woman at the Public Guardian's office gave me no details about your personal situation and how it came about that they're involved, I do know that the mortgage is in arrears and that foreclosure is a possibility (that's very scary to me) and that the Public Guardian will be applying the rent to payment of the mortgage arrears to help save your interest in the house. So again, for the moment, I'm sorry but I won't lift the stop payment on the cheque to you and I won't stop payment on the cheque to them. Please return the cheques I gave to you. The minute I'm notified by the Public Guardian's office that I can pay the rent directly to you again, I will.
My heart and thoughts are with you.
No it's no consolation. These people have put me in a situation where I am now under foreclosure because of being two weeks late on my mortgage payment. I was waiting for a very big cheque that would have paid all outstanding bills. I think you will recall some of the upheaval we have had. This government cheque is still being held. They are many facts you have no idea about.
I have no idea how this systems works but it has been one thing after the other since the "Public Guardian" has become involved.
I can not imagine any recourse that may happen to you because you don't comply with their requests. Have you talked to anyone about what the repercussions may be?
I do know what the repercussions for us are though.
Ask yourself one question. Is there any reason to think that I am financially incapable? Why would this have happened to me in the first place? Until this group got involved how would you have judged my financial capabilities? Now my reputation is tarnished beyond repair. I no longer have control over my rental income.
For the first the first time in my life, since these "helpful" people have become involved I am extremely worried about my finances. l have always looked after myself and many other I might add.
Do you think this is fair? Anyway I am leaving this up to your conscious. How you want to proceed. There are two sides to the fence. You choose what one you want to be on.
Actually Caroline I did get some legal advice when this situation started materializing.
We went to a lawyer and were told that our tenants have many rights. I would suggest you contact someone and hear what your rights are for yourself.
I don't think the Trustees care about your rights but we did and made sure that there would be no problems for our tenants because of these illegal procedures. I was assured by our lawyer, Marvin Barken, if you want to check him out yourself please let me know, that our tenants have many rights they can utilize.
I am so sorry about everything that's happening for you. You've been a wonderful landlady and a lovely human being to me and Ruby. I just cannot get involved in this situation and take sides...it's obviously very complicated and longstanding. But it's between you and the Public Guardian and whoever coerced them into believing you cannot take care of your finances. My heart goes out to you but I am caught in the middle. I'm sorry if you see me as a lemming and mindless follower in this situation, but it is the position I'm going to take for the moment. I will give you the money directly the minute I'm advised that I can do so.
You are involved whether I like it or not. As you said you are a lemming and a mindless follower in this situation. And if that is the position you wish take I can not do anything about it. I am disappointed. With everything going on in this world right now I don't understand how we can just bow down to this "authority".
I do hope you eventually wake up to what is going on around you.
I hate to be the one to tell you this but now that you have gone to their side I would worry about your circumstances.
I am advising you to look at the legal implications of this.
When I was your landlord I was ensuring that your right to live there was kept. Now you will have to deal with these people.
I have seen how they operate.
Lesa where are you?
I AM TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM ALL THIS STRESS AND INJUSTICE SO THAT PERHAPS WE CAN GATHER OUR WITS TOGETHER AND SALVAGE SOMETHING!
Janet has some money for you.
WHAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY GOING TO DO TO HELP RIGHT NOW? MONEY IS WHAT EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR. I AM LOOKING FOR SOME JUSTICE. I AM LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN DEALT ME.
You can't run away.
I AM NOT RUNNING AWAY. I AM FIGHTING. EVERYONE WANTS ME TO RUN AWAY FROM THE INJUSTICES THAT HAVE HAPPENED. SO MAYBE YOU THINK I AM RUNNING AWAY BUT WHAT I AM DOING IS FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL DESPITE EVERY ADVERSITY THOWN MY WAY.
Karen is there to help and until you understand everything
IN MY FIRST MEETING WITH KAREN SHE TOLD ME SHE KNOWS NOTHING, SHE HAS NO AUTHROITY. SHE ONLY DOES WHAT SHE IS TOLD. SO IF YOU THINK SHE IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING ANYTHING PERHAPS YOU NEED TO ASK HER THESE QUESTIONS.
We can't help you
YOU CAN’T HELP ME? I HAVE ASKED FOR A LITTLE HELP. AND THAT WAS GIVING US A PLACE TO STAY WHILE WE CONTACTED A LAWYER TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THIS MESS. ALL I WANTED WAS FOR A SAFE PLACE TO STAY WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT POLICE COMING TO THE DOOR TO TAKE ME AWAY.
You can go back to your house and from there you can find an apt. you have furniture, still don't you.
WE WERE PLANNING ON RENTING OUT OUR LAST APARTMENT FURNISHED IN ORDER TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE BILLS (we told you this) AND AT LEAST HAVE SOME FOOD TO EAT. BUT NOW OUR HANDS ARE TIED HERE TOO. THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY WITH THE RENTS TO DO THIS. WHY IS THIS NOT AN OPTION FOR ME? THINK ABOUT IT.
It is only Karen that can give you your rights back. Staying away is only going to delay everything.
WHO MADE KAREN GOD? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THIS?
Stop blaming everybody. You signed that paper and we knew nothing about it. If you had been honest with us none of this would have happened.
STOP BLAMING EVERYBODY. I HAVE NOT BLAMED ANYONE. I AM TELLING YOU WHAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CAUSED. I HAVE BEEN 100% HONEST WITH YOU. TELL ME ONE TIME I HAVE NOT BEEN HONEST WITH YOU? WHY DID I SIGN THAT PAPER? WHEN I WAS IN CAMH I TOLD YOU WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I RECALL THAT I WAS TOTALLY DESERTED BY MY FAMILY. THAT IS WHEN AL MET ME. AL WAS THE ONLY PERSON IN MY LIFE AT THE TIME WHO DID NOT ABANDONED ME. IF THE TRUTH HURTS I AM SORRY BUT IT IS THE TRUTH.
You do not have to go to the hospital if you are not in any danger.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO THAT HOSPITAL? I AM NOT IN DANGER. HOW COME THEN WHEN I TRIED TO LEAVE I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO??? ALL MY FREEDOMS WERE TAKEN AWAY. I HOPE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME IS SUFFICIENT PROOF TO UNDERSTAND HOW DANGEROUS IT IS TO HAVE YOUR FREEDOMS TAKEN AWAY. THE HOSPITAL IS THE LAST PLACE I TRUST RIGHT NOW.
You do not have to take medication if you don’t want.
AND I WILL NOT TAKE ANY MEDICATIONS NOR HAVE I SINCE I LEARNT HOW DAMAGING THEY ARE. BUT I HAVE MET MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN FORCED TO TAKE MEDICATIONS. I WAS THERE. NO ONE WANTS TO LISTEN TO THE STORIES OF WHAT GOES ON IN THESE INSTITUTIONS.
I don't know of any other way to help except see that you have some money to help you get settled but we can't do that until things are straightened out with the house.
I HAVE A LOT OF MONEY invested in this home. We have upgraded it. We have paid all the bills until we were no longer able to access any money. Our rental income pays for all expenses plus gives us money in order to survive. But these helpful people just want to foreclose and then we are left with nothing. This is fair? This is just? Let's bailout these guys too. Can't you see what is going on here?
AS LONG as you are Hiding NO ONE Can Help.
I have been asking for help. I had no intention on hiding. I have been told that I am not welcome in my parent’s home. All I wanted was a roof over our heads. A little respite in order that I could fight this injustice.
Why don't you believe us!
WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME!!!! HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?
That is not an option- Now can't you see that they have control you have to get your rights back coming here to live and you have no money how is that going to help- you are only delaying everything. Get resettled in an apartment. We can help with that. They have not foreclosed so you have some time. When you are re settled then you can look for a Lawyer to tell your story to. But FIRST things FIRST. I believe you when you say there has been an injustice done to you. You can fight that but it will take a long time. Please go home. That is not an option.
WHY IS NOTHING I SAY AN OPTION?
Now can't you see that they have control? You have to get your rights back. Coming here to live and you have no money how is that going to help you?
HOW CAN THEY TAKE THE RENTAL INCOME? OF COURSE I DON'T HAVE MONEY NOW IT HAS ALL BEEN STOLEN FROM ME!!!
You are only delaying everything. Get resettled in an apartment.
I AM RESETTLED IN AN APARTMENT BUT NOW I HAVE NO ACCESS TO ANY MONEY WHATSOEVER TO PAY FOR IT AND WILL HAVE TO LEAVE!!!!!!
We can help with that they have not foreclosed so you have some time.
THEY ARE NOT LEGALLY ABLE TO FORECLOSE NOW. I HAVE BEEN TO A LAWYER AND KNOW MY RIGHTS!!!
When you are settled then you can look for a Lawyer to tell your story to.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS BUT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY I HAVE BEEN BLOCKED!
BUT things FIRST
I believe you when you say there has been an in justice done to you.
YOU HAVE GOT THIS ONE RIGHT!!!
You can fight that but it will take a long time.
I WILL FIGHT THIS TOOTH AND NAIL. WHAT OTHER OPTION DO I HAVE!
Please go home.
I NO LONGER HAVE A HOME.
WE HAVE GIVEN YOU 1500.00 a month for 8 months and all we get is more worry. I will NOT WORRY ANY MORE. GO HOME AN FACE THE MUSIC.
And what have we been more concerned about then paying you back! We would have been able to do if this situation did not come to light. How many times have we told you this? We never have asked for a handout in our lives.
Now our hands are tied here too. How much more do we have to take?
Why it is that no one wants to listen or see proof of what has transpired here? Face the music? Am I some criminal that needs to make some restitution? I have a difficult time knowing where these comments are coming from? It's obvious that you are being brainwashed to believe than everyone else is the victim in this except me.
Caroline is right. Her hands are tied. Our hands are tied.
No Mother, Caroline is not right ... your hands are not tied. You just prefer to be lemmings and hide you heads in the sand. I can believe this from a tenant but from your own mother it is hard to handle.
That is the end of the story. I have told you how you can help and all I asked was for a safe place to stay for a couple of months but I guess someone is tying your hands.
This would have cost you nothing... we were planning on paying for any expenses. But for some reason this was too much to ask and you can't even see this. You wouldn't have even had to see our sorry faces if it was too stressful for you.
And of course I will be blamed now for all the stress I have caused you and the rest of the family. This is the way it has been going for how long now.
Throughout this ordeal we have met many and I am sure we will meet more.
Why don't you do some research on the Public Guardian ... I have found enough dirt on them in 10 minutes to prove my case ... but I know ... it is hard to look at the truth.
Do you realize how hard it was for us to say no to you I don't believe we have ever denied you anything? If you were yourself I would have been glad to let you stay here. BUT it does not make sense what you are doing. You do not see things the way they are. You see things differently. There is no sense in arguing with you. As long as you get what you want we are the best people in the world. The first time we say no we are the worst. That is not my daughter. I do not believe in my heart that is you. You have always been the best daughter to us. I know it is the chemical imbalance in your brain that makes you see things differently.
We will never desert you I am sorry if you feel that way. Your sisters will never desert you. Just because we don't agree with you does not mean we don't care. If you want to desert us that will be your choice. Can you remember what you were like 5 years ago? I am sorry Al did not know you then. If he knew what you were like then he would know there is a problem now. How can you expect us to act differently then we are, when we knew you were so different. I will keep on praying. I pray for the day I get my daughter back.
NO ONE BLAMES YOU FOR ANYTHING
LOVE Mom and Dad
Yes you are in a spot that is for sure.
YES THAT IS FOR SURE ... I AM IN A SPOT!
You refuse to do the math.
I HAVE DONE THE MATH BUT NO ONE HAS BOTHERED TO ASK ME!
You cannot take your renters money to use for living expenses.
WHY CAN I NOT USE THE INCOME FROM MY PROPERTY, WHICH I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR AND HAVE UPGRADED, PAID THE BILLS, AND LOOKED AFTER FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY? IS THERE A LAW AGAINST THIS? I HAVE TO DECLARE THIS AS INCOME ON MY INCOME TAX. SO THIS IS NOT MY INCOME DESPITE ALL THE MONEY AND WORK WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PLACE?
The house does not generate enough income to pay your mortgage, insurance, taxes and living expenses.
THE PROPERTY RENTED OUT GENERATES
1800.00 PLUS UTILITIES
1600.00 PLUS UTILITIES AND A RENT WE SHOULD RAISE BECAUSE THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN INCREASE SINCE THE TENANT MOVED IN.
1200.00 IF RENTED OUT FURNISHED (WHICH WE WERE TRYING TO DO)
SO THIS ADDS UPS TO
$5350 A MONTH.
IN CASE YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO DO MATH.
You refuse to see this.
I AM VERY WELL AWARE OF THIS.
You require much more income. The last I heard, crusaders do not earn paycheques!!
WHAT DOES A CRUSADER MEAN TO YOU? I GUESS WE ARE CRAZY TO WANT TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THIS WORLD. THAT SHOULD PUT BOTH AL AND I IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION RIGHT. WE SHOULD JUST WATCH AS BANKS FORECLOSE AND GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS BLEED US DRY. HAVE YOU WATCHED THE NEWS LATELY? MAYBE THEY NEED A BAILOUT FROM ME TOO.
The amount you think the government owes you would not even come close to paying your arrears and allowing you to keep that house.
THE AMOUNT THE GOVERNMENT OWED BEFORE ALL THE UPHEAVAL STARTED AND CAUSED ME SO MUCH FINANCIAL COSTS WOULD HAVE MORE THAN COVERED THE ARREARS. HAS KAREN EVER MENTIONED TO YOU WHY I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS MONEY. OR DOES SHE THINK IT SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE GIVEN TO THE BANK! THEY HAVEN'T HAD A BIG ENOUGH BAIL OUT YET! LET'S SUPPORT THE BANKS WHY DON'T WE.
Whether you lose the house to the bank or the Public Guardian at this point makes no difference. What makes a difference is that the Public Guardian is supposed to look out for you and the bank quite frankly does not give a shit.
AND FROM THE ABOVE I SEE HOW MUCH THE PUBLIC GUARDIAN GIVES A SHIT. I AM GOING TO FIGHT ALL OF THEM AND SUE FOR DAMAGES. DON'T FORGET THE PUBLIC GUARDIAN NEEDS TO MAKE A LIVING TOO. THEY MUST KEEP THEMSELVES IN THEIR IVORY TOWER (THE MOST EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE IN TORONTO) AND DON'T FORGET THE GUARDS THEY HAVE TO HIRE. WHY DON'T YOU GO VISIT KAREN AND SEE THEIR DIGS. QUITE ENLIGHTENING. ALSO THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS THAT BARGE INTO YOU HOME AND FLASH A BADGE IN ORDER TO INTIMIDATE YOU. WHY DON'T YOU DO SOME RESEARCH. I HAVE! QUITE ENLIGHTENING.
The only reason you were able to purchase that house in the first place was because of other people’s greed.
OTHER PEOPLES' GREED? PLEASE TELL ME WHO THESE GREEDY PEOPLE WERE?
WE WERE GIVEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND WHEN WE WERE PLANNING ON SELLING, THE PROPERTY HAD GONE UP BY AT LEAST 15%.... AND I HAVE THE FIGURES TO PROVE IT. NOW THIS OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN LOST. I WAS UNABLE TO CONTEMPLATE SELLING MY HOME. I FOUND THIS OUT FROM A PRIVATE BUYER WHO WAS VERY INTERESTED. WHEN HE WENT TO THE BANK HE WAS TOLD THE PUBLIC GUARDIAN HAD PUT A RESTRICTION ON IT. THIS WAS DONE IN JULY. THEY CONTACTED ME THE END OF OCTOBER. THIS IS SOMEONE LOOKING AFTER MY BEST INTERESTS. DON'T BELIEVE IT; I HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK TO SHOW YOU.
ALSO THEY WERE AFTER MY RENTAL INCOME MONTHS BEFORE THEY FINALLY TOLD ME AND THE ONLY REASON THEY TOLD ME WAS BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT I KNEW.
THE BEST THING FOR ME WOULD HAVE BEEN WAS TO RENT THE PLACE OUT AND HOPE THAT THINGS COME AROUND EVENTUALLY. IF NOT, AT LEAST I HAVE SOMETHING OF VALUE THAT WILL CARRY ITSELF! BUT OF COURSE THESE PUBLIC GUARDIANS ARE LOOKING AFTER MY BEST INTEREST. GO FIGURE. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS I THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE A VISIT TO CAMH YOURSELF.
What is the worst of two evils? If you contact the Public Guardian they will at least provide you with a social services person to help you get back on your feet.
GET ME BACK ON MY FEET. I WILL TRADE MY FINANCIAL FREEDOM, EVERYTHING I HAVE INVESTED IN MY HOUSE, LOSE EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO SUE, IN ORDER TO BE LABELLED AS DISABLED FOR $1000 A MONTH. $13000 A YEAR. TRY LIVING ON THAT. TRY GETTING ANY EMPLOYMENT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT HANGING OVER YOUR HEAD. OH LET’S NOT FORGET PUBLIC HOUSING. JUST WHAT I WOULD DREAM OF FOR MY DAUGHTER.
I doubt the bank will do this. You are the only one that bought a house you could not afford.
I COULD VERY MUCH HAVE AFFORDED THIS HOUSE IF EVERYONE ONE WOULD HAVE LEFT US ALONE. WE WERE WELL ON OUR WAY TO HAVING A VIABLE BUSINESS, ETC. BUT OF COURSE NO ONE IN MY FAMILY COULD ENTERTAIN THIS IDEA BECAUSE AFTER ALL I WAS ONCE IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION AND I DIDN'T LISTEN TO THEM AND INVEST MY MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET. THAT WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN PRETTY. HOPE YOU LISTENED TO US AND BOUGHT GOLD (THE REAL STUFF). I WOULD WORRY ABOUT MY PENSION FUNDS RIGHT NOW IF I WERE YOU. AL AND I HAVE A LOT OF FINANCIAL KNOWLEDGE WE WANTED SHARE. PITY THOUGH NO ONE TALKS TO US IN MY FAMILY. MY FAMILY, THE ONES WHO TELL ME I AM ANGRY AND ABUSIVE TO THEM.
The only reason we stopped giving you money was because in the end the bank would have gotten our money as well as yours!
I TOLD YOU TO STOP SENDING ME MONEY AND THAT ONCE THE HOUSE WAS SOLD WE WOULD PAY YOU BACK. YES LET'S ALL JUST LET THE BANKS GET AWAY WITH THIS TOO!!!
We are not interested in funding your crusades and never will be.
DON'T WORRY WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS MESSAGE FROM DAY ONE. AND WE NEVER ASKED TO BE FUNDED. WE ASKED THAT PERHAPS SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN A GOOD CAUSE.
We are only interested in seeing that you are in a safe place and have food.
A SAFE PLACE? I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED WE ARE NO LONGER SAFE. I GUESS I SHOULD JUST WAIT UNTIL THE "WELLNESS" COMMITTEE, 3 COPS, PLUS 1 NURSE, 1 TASER AND A FLASHLIGHT COMES BANGING AT THE DOOR LOOKING FOR ME. THIS IS VERY SAFE. AT LEAST THEY FEED YOU AT THE MENTAL INSTITUTION.
At this point your anger and hatred which is all directed towards us is a huge concern and will prohibit us from helping you in the future.
I KNOW ... ANGRY IS JUST ANOTHER SIGN OF BI POLAR. I HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE ANGRY AFTER EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME. AND WHERE DOES THIS HATRED COME IN? WAS I THE ONE WHO KICKED ANYONE OUT OR DIDN'T ALLOW THEM IN MY HOME? HOW OFTEN HAVE I TRIED SINCE THEN TO INITIATE CONTACT WITH MY SO CALLED FAMILY WHO LOVES AND IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT ME.
THINK ABOUT IT!
There is no guilt on our part, we did not ask you to make these decisions.
NO ... NO ONE IS AT FAULT HERE. NO ONE DECIDED THAT THEY COULD TAKE OVER MY LIFE AND WHAT MY MENTAL STATUS WAS. NO ONE!!! LET'S NOT LOOK AT THIS. PERHAPS YOU MAY FEEL GUILTY. NO ONE MADE DECISIONS FOR ME AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGMENT. THINK ABOUT IT!
The fact that you were at CAMH makes no difference to the outcome.
THE FACT THAT I WAS AT CAMH MADE EVERYTHING IN MY LIFE DIFFERENT TO THE OUTCOME. I GAINED 50 LBS FROM THE DRUGS. I WAS DEPRESSED UNTIL I MET AL. I WAS LABELLED WITH A MENTAL DISABILITY. I LOST MOST OF MY FRIENDS. I LOST ALL MY SELF CONFIDENCE UNTIL I MET AL. MY LIFE WAS A LIVING HELL. NO CAMH DID NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO MY LIFE. THINK ABOUT IT.!
We could take care of the thousands and thousands of dollars that you owe and it would not make a difference because it would only take care of the past and not the future. You cannot fund your dreams on fairy dust you need a steady income which you do not have.
HAVE I EVER ASKED ANYONE FOR ONE DIME! ALL I ASKED FOR WAS A PLACE TO STAY FOR 3 MONTHS WHILE WE WORKED ON WHAT HAS BEEN DEALT US. I HAVE A VERY LUCRATIVE DEAL THAT I AM WORKING ON FOR A BOOK. I HAVE CONTACTS. BOTH AL AND I ARE VERY SMART AND TALENTED. WE HAVE BOTH DONE WELL IN THE PAST WHY SHOULD WE JUST THROW UP OUR ARMS AND NEVER LOOK TO EARN A LIVING AGAIN. WHY WOULD YOU FEEL WE ARE SO INCAPABLE????
You need to make some realistic decisions pretty quickly or your situation will continue to get worse.
I HAVE MADE NOTHING BUT REALISTIC DECISIONS IN THE PAST WHY WOULD I BE ANY DIFFERENT NOW! WHY WOULD YOU HAVE LOST SO MUCH FAITH IN ME? COULD IT BE BECAUSE SOMEONE DECIDED TO BRING ME TO CAMH? I THINK SO. NEVER MIND THINK SO, I KNOW SO. BECAUSE THIS NOW HAS GOTTEN WAY OUT OF CONTROL. MY FAMILIES LOVE AND CONCERN HAS DUG A GRAVE FOR ME. DON'T WORRY, I AM RESOURCEFUL AND SMART I WILL DIG MYSELF OUT OF THIS DESPITE ALL YOUR CONCERN AND WORRY.
Do you realize how hard it was for us to say No to you I don't believe. We have never denied you anything.
What have I asked you for but a safe place to stay?
What have I asked for but some support? Mother if you are going to make these acquisitions please answer my questions because I don't know what you are talking about?
You have lent us money and I have told you over and over again how thankful I am about this and how it was our every intention to pay you back and how we were going to do just that.
Do you think I am a liar? Do you think I am incapable? I am 50 years old and I have looked after myself for most of my life very well. How many people Mother, have I looked after and sheltered and wished the very best for? So tell me now why am I so incompetent? You were the only one there for me when I was kicked out of everyone's home and I have appreciated this greatly. Why was I so unwelcome in my families homes? Please tell me what did I ever do to deserve the treatment I have had? Please, please tell me because I am so distraught right now with worry and hurt and no one has yet to tell me one thing that makes any sense. I just hear you are not the same Lesa? This is mind boggling to me to be it mildly.
If you were yourself I would have been glad to let you stay here.
Who is myself.... see above ... is this all you can say. This is all you have been telling me now for ever since my sisters decided they should take control of MY LIFE! Since they decided my moving to Barbados was crazy. This is where it all began and look at where it has led.
BUT it does not make sense what you are doing.
Tell me exactly what does not make sense? Not sticking up for my rights? Do you really want to see me just give up and collect $1000 a month disability and let everything that has happened to me be brushed under the carpet. Lose my home, and any chance of building a future? Answer me this ... is this you want for your daughter? Please answer me this. To be controlled by a corrupt institution. To be labelled mentally ill.
I have a lot of proof about everything I am trying to tell you. What doesn't make sense to me is why you can't even look at it?
Please answer me ... why can't you look at it?
You do not see things the way they are. You see things differently. There is no sense in arguing with you.
Why is there no sense in discussing it? Why from the beginning can no one discuss it? I have kept my mouth shut for years and look what has happened.
As long as you get what you want we are the best people in the world. The first time we say no we are the worst.
When have I ever said you were the worst people? I am hurt. Can't you understand that? Please tell me why?
That is not my daughter.
I am your daughter whether you like it or not. I am me and how am I suppose to be anyone else?
I do not believe in my heart that is you. You have always been the best daughter to us.
And how can I go from being the best daughter to someone who is not even welcome in their own parent’s home? What did I do to deserve this treatment?
I know it is the chemical imbalance in your brain that makes you see things differently.
Actually Mother, it is not a chemical imbalance in my brain that makes me see things differently. I have had experiences that have made me see the truth about a lot of things going on. But no one in my family can listen to one word I say without giving me the same accusation about how I am not the same Lesa.
WE will never desert you I am sorry if you feel that way. Your sisters will never desert you.
You have all deserted me. What else can you call this? Please tell me ... I am asking for some answers.
Just because we don't agree with you does not mean we don't care.
You don't have to agree with everything I say but you at least need to listen. I have never said I didn't think you don't care. In fact I say the exact opposite.
If you want to desert us that will be your choice. Can you remember what you were like 5 years ago?
Exactly what was I like 5 years ago? Please tell me because we have never discussed it. I was thrown into an institution by my family. Why because I believed in a higher power, in synchronicity. Because I believed in myself and my art? What exactly did I do that was so harmful? Decide to quit a job and move to Barbados? Who had the right to judge what was good for me? Was I evil, cruel, hurting anyone? Who gave anyone the right to take over my life!
I am sorry Al did not know you then.
Al knows everything about me. Al is 100% on my side and his only wish is to see that I never get hurt like I was during this time again. Why would you be sorry about this?
If he knew what you were like then he would know there is a problem now.
Where do all the problems stem from? My God. What you are saying is horrendous.
How can you expect us to act differently then we are, when we knew you were so different. I will keep on praying. I pray for the day I get my daughter back.
YOUR DAUGHTER HAS BEEN HERE ALL ALONG.... YOU HAVE JUST FORGOTTEN WHO SHE IS. LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID TO ME. HOW HURTFUL. I PRAY TO GOD YOU WILL SEE THE LIGHT.
What is wrong with you going back to the house? They haven't reposed it yet. You have a place to live if you need money for food we will help. You can not fix thing from here what don't you understand about that.
You don't have to go to the hospital.
Have you read anything I have written or are you just listening to the lies or their version of the so called facts that everyone is feeding you?
I haven't seen one answer to one of my questions?
What is wrong with going back to my house.... Read my previous emails please ... how much more reasons do you want.
And here is the best one
We have found a safe place to live that is perfect. It costs us $600 a month everything included.
Now we will have to leave it because we have absolutely no access to any funds and can not pay for this either.
We have all but lost our home through foreclosure procedures even though I have a lot of money owing me on my HOME ... even though the money I could get from the rental income would have covered the expenses plus more...
IT IS MY HOME NOT THE BANKS AND NOT THE PUBLIC GUARDIANS. CAN YOU NOT SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN FRONT OF YOUR FACES? I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD IN THIS PREDICAMENT.
How can anyone defend this system?
Now we can not even afford bus fare there, if this was even a viable option. Oh they have us just where they wanted ... destitute ... just like so many others. But let's blame it on the victims and not help them. Instead we will support these institutions.
THIS IS THE SITUATION THAT HAS BEEN DEALT US AND I AM STILL WAITING TO UNDERSTAND WHY MY FAMILY THINKS THIS IS FAIR AND JUST.
And my family stands by and criticizes and condones me.
I can not believe this is what you call a family. I have never been so sad and upset in my whole life.
I hope this makes you all happy. Now we are destitute like so many others. But hey guess this is our fault. Let's praise the institutions that are looking after our welfare.
To say I am disappointed in my family is an understatement.
Let's just give it all away to the bank. The banks don't have enough yet. The Public Guardian may not be able to afford their rent this month.
And perhaps one of my sisters could reply to some of these questions. I am dying to hear their side of the story.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
This is why the world is in such a sorry mess.
I have read your e-mails. I know your house is not repossessed. If you really don't want to go back there e-mail Janet on Monday she will give you $1000. Will that help for now? I know you don't want to go to your home because you think they will put you in the hospital. They won't if you are calm and don't threaten anybody.
Again go home use that $1000 to go to your home. Janet will give you some money on Monday. You will have to go on welfare but you need to have a bank account. You can't get a bank account until you see the guardian. Staying away will not solve your problems can't you see that. Lesa please for once listen.
Threaten anybody!!! I am threatening ... never mind threatening I am going to sue to pants off of everyone involved. Is this a crime?
If I am calm??? I am supposed to stay calm while this is all happening?
No, I am not calm and who the hell has the right to lock you up because you are not calm or because you threaten to sue someone.
Do you get it yet? This is a travesty to human rights.
It is as clear as the nose on my face. And I hope you see this because we will all be locked up sooner or later if you don't. And if you think I am exaggerating I will send you lots of information on what is really going on in this world. And if you think I am crazy there are millions and millions of people like Al and I who know what is happening in this insane world.
And until you can look at the truth and examine it yourself you have no right to criticize anyone for bringing it to you attention.
Never mind if you believe it or not, I will be bombarding everyone with information. For the sake of my nieces and nephews, who I love and miss greatly and who we are leaving this sorry mess of a world to. I pray you will look at this.
If you want proof I have it. It you want to hide your heads in the sand you will pay for it dearly and believe it or not this is what hurts me the most.
Please listen to me. Look what you have just said ... I will need the public guardian to have a bank account. Doesn't that just confirm what I have been trying to tell you? Where did you get this information? From the Public Guardian I assume?
I am not playing into their hands ... if no one in my family can see this or want to help me.. Well read my previous emails.
I Agree 100%
But all this yelling and anger is not going to help you. Why don't you listen if you are as smart as you say you are you will make this work for you! What exactly do you expect us to do? They have the law on there side.
Mom it is hard to yell and scream when you are 1000 miles away. Listen ... I am asking you to please read and understand what is happening here.
Sometimes we need to get angry.
I am mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore.
If we all just lie down and die and let these things happen to us it will get worse. That is what has been happening here.
Someone has to do some yelling and I am prepared to fight this. I would think that should be a very good, smart thing to do. The other option is just to lie down and die. If no one fights for our rights we will have none.
If you are smart you will go home and fight! And we will help you but we can not if we don't know where you are? When was the last time you slept!! I don't believe you are 1000 miles away.
Well to begin with you can stop siding with them. They do not have the law on their side.
This situation is criminal. There is not one person who knows what has happened to me that sees it any other way.
My case is so ludicrous that even though I know the law is far from fair I can not see losing this case. How can you take over someone's finances, start foreclosure after 2 weeks of being late on your mortgage etc. etc. All because you walked into CAMH to be re-diagnosed and get off of harmful drugs (and there are many law suits going on just because of the drugs and people are winning). My credit rating was perfect (no small feat I will tell you). And then you are made to sign a paper to say you are financially incapable in order to leave this institution and then that gives some private organization the right to your finances. Looks highly suspicious to me.
Really this calls for a criminal investigation and that is what the Human Rights group I am in contact with is about. But before I can do any of this I need to have a place to breathe ... that is all I have ever asked for. But these people are smart and they won't allow that. And don't think for a minute I think Karen has any idea what she is involved with. I told her so from the beginning. But she does follow orders very well.
Actually I have been sleeping very well. I really did not think that our tenants would just go ahead and give over the rents but I guess everyone is afraid when they see some person with a badge. Anyway, we can fight this from where ever we are and going back to the basement apartment is not an option.
I know you find it hard to believe that you can be held against your will but I have met too many people that this has happened to. Including me. Do you think I wanted to be locked up for a month! And look what happened the last time I visited CAMH. It would even be more dangerous for me now because I am going against their system so therefore anyone I would come in contact would be on the defensive.
We could not breathe while we were living there. Also the best option financially would be to rent it out. But now that they are taking over the rents this isn't an option. I desperately need a good lawyer to stop this and am working on finding one now. I have a few contacts. But with no money and no place to live now I don't think I will sleep too well tonight.
It is an OPTION you are being paranoid. We can not help you if we don't know where you are
We are very happy where we are now. We are living with some great people too. And how can you beat $600 everything included, including internet, etc.
I have a house that is worth a lot of money plus makes money. I am willing to give up everything just in order to have the opportunity to sue for the damages I have encountered and get back my initial investment but mainly to get my reputation back. This has been so damaging to me in all respects.
I already have had a good offer but my hands are tied. If someone were to lend us some money I would sign whatever I had to ensure that they would get their investment back plus whatever interest amount they wanted. I would put the house up as a lien.
I owe just over $700,000 on the property and the estimated value is at least $850,000 ... was a lot more before the economic slide. I really need to talk to a lawyer but if the house has $150,000 value in it to see this just get eaten away by the banks and the guardianship would be beyond criminal.
All we need is some money to get us through the next three months. By then I am sure something will come our way.
Going back to Toronto is not an OPTION we can live with comfortably and if you are worried whenever someone knocks on your door what kind of life is this. And you may say I am paranoid, but you would have said this to, when this whole situation came about, and we were worried that something like what is happening to us would happen, and it did. No doubt about that one. How much worse do you want things to get?
We are in Halifax right now. But I am not sure how we can stay here now that we have no funds. And Mom having my family involved with the Guardianship and siding with them does not want me to exactly give any one my address.
There was another thing we wanted to discuss with you before this whole insane situation developed.
Originally we had planned on renting out all our apartments and making good on our debts, etc., staying at your place in order to get things straightened out. But that didn't work out as you can see.
When we were there we wanted to get a lawyer to draw up some papers putting a lien on the house for the amount of money you have loaned us. That way before the bank, or the Guardianship could not run away with any profit in the case of foreclosure. It would give you your rights to reclaiming your money.
I hope you can see what an unfair situation this is to all of us. If we don't work together on this they will win. I have already been forewarned how the foreclosure system works.
We have had two private offers on the house. There is no reason to pay a real estate agent. Another thing we were duped into doing.
The house is a money making proposition. Why else do you think everyone wants it so badly?
This is Quebec I don't think you could get a lawyer from here Quebec laws are different and a Quebec Lawyer would not be able to help you.
I do understand why you don't want to go back to the house living in fear is a terrible thing.
Janet is the only one that has been in touch with Karen and from what she said she is there to protect your rights. I think she also believes there is something funny going on there. It is the bank that is at fault I think they are trying to save themselves.
I can't see how you can do what you plan as long as they have control of your finances. That is why I keep telling you to come back. Go to a Motel and find an apt. if that will make you feel safer. I am afraid you have no choice but to work with Karen.
You sisters will help you if you will let them but it can't be all on your terms.
I can't even send you any money as you can't cash a check.
We are leaving on Sunday
I hope Janet by now you realize just the mess you have gotten involved with. I hope you can understand my anger. I hope you can understand how I feel by you going behind my back and siding with the enemy. I hope this knocks some sense into you. Because I truly hope you never feel the way I did when your worst nightmare comes true and your own family turns on you. When your own mother does not want to see you and you are not allowed to even visit. Imagine not allowing Amanda into your home? This is what has happened and I hope you think about why and for what reasons. I hope you have empathy for Mom and Dad too and realize the stress this has put them through. This is something I was very clear about. This is something I did not want to happen.
What have I ever done to deserve this? What did your parents do to ever deserve this?
As it stands now we will lose everything. I hope this does not happen because when you realize what you have been compliant to you will feel very guilty. I know this was not your intention but you did not have empathy for someone in a bad position. I hope you learn empathy.
I hope my other sisters were not involved. But as I have not heard from anyone I strongly suspect you were all in this together.
This is Quebec I don't think you could get a lawyer from here Quebec laws are different and a Quebec Lawyer would not be able to help you.
There is a thing called the internet, telephone, and we can deal with a legal firm who has offices in Toronto. But right now I am not in a position to deal with anyone. When need be, I could go to Toronto, if I had access to my funds. I have already thought of all of these road blocks. I also do not want to be in Ontario because then I could have police knocking at the door at any time. This is why we wanted to get out of the province in the first place.
I do understand why you don't want to go back to the house living in fear is a terrible thing.
Yes it is no a way to live. We have tried it already.
Janet is the only one that has been in touch with Karen and from what she said she is there to protect your rights.
I want to make this perfectly clear and I have mentioned this in I don't know how many emails. Karen thinks she is protecting my rights. But let's look at facts. What rights has she protected? The right to take over the rent from my tenants without my consent? The right to contact my bank months before I was contacted which caused foreclosure proceedings. The right to have police come to my door to carry me away. How much more helpful can she be? The right to hold back my income tax cheque. As I have mentioned before, Karen told me point blank she has no authority to do anything but give information. Most information has changed also. I have no idea how involved Karen was with anything other than the rents. But I do know she sent these letters without me being aware. What is that about?
I think she also believes there is something funny going on there. It is the bank that is at fault I think they are trying to save themselves.
Yes there is definitely something fishy about the banks and they are definitely in it for themselves but what precipitated this whole event to begin with? I am planning on suing the bank as well. What a sad society we live in.
I can't see how you can do what you plan as long as they have control of your finances.
Exactly my point Mom. How can I do anything if they have control of my finances? Doesn't that make things work in their favour? This situation is a racket. I am not the only one by far who has been duped. I have been doing some investigating. I just happen to have some backbone and am willing to fight this. Most people are too afraid or unable to because of how this system works. I am sure they take advantage of orphans, widows and mentally challenged people all the time. Since there is no one to come to their defense.
That is why I keep telling you to come back. Go to a Motel and find an apt. if that will make you feel safer.
Please tell me who will rent me an apartment or let me in a motel room if I have no money? I haven't met anyone yet.
I am afraid you have no choice but to work with Karen.
Why in the world would this be my only option? Is this just? This statement in itself speaks for how this system works. Pretty scary?
Your sisters will help you if you will let them but it can't be all on your terms.
This is very sad. My sisters will only help me if I agree to what? How many times have I helped my sisters? Perhaps it is time they offered me the same kind of support without any strings attached. Anyway I do not want their help. How can they help me? I am offering, as I have always offered an investment opportunity, to anyone who can trust me. It seems to me that money is of great to concern to them. That is what this has all come down to isn't it? They think I am taking advantage and this is very difficult for me to understand. I have never taken advantage of anyone in my life. Not to mention how many people I have helped out. Any help I have been given I have paid for one way or the other. It sickens me how my family does not trust me. Now I am in this position and they will use your loan as proof of how I do not pay my debts back.
I can't even send you any money as you can't cash a check.
There are other ways of getting money. But I am afraid to even mention this to anyone. I will look like someone who is a swindler. I would rather live on the street then have to live with this insinuation.
We are leaving on Sunday
I have this horrible feeling you are not understanding what has happened here. I have this horrible feeling once you do realize what is going on it will be hell for you.
To My Sisters
One other thing about the Guardian; in case there isn’t enough proof for you. Why would they freeze my bank account months before they are in contact with me?
I am feeling so discouraged right now. I can't believe what is transpiring and how there is no one to offer me any support. Not even a kind word or any sympathy except for Mom who waivers continually. I am trying very hard to keep my wits right now. This is so unfair.
I bet you any money you are all talking about this between yourselves as usual and I am not privy to the conversation. I can tell by the emails Mom sends.
It is always one sided and unfair. It has been this way for a very long time. I guess it is time to give up on you.
No one dares to answer any of my questions. I have not had one question answered yet.
And now you will all say to each other how right you all are. I dare you to show all my emails to anyone and get an honest opinion.
I dare you to answer one of my questions.
You can't because you have no justification in anything you have done. That's why you can not answer one thing.
Now go and tell yourself I am manic. And I'm not the same Lesa you used to know. That is the only rebuttal you have ever had.
Time and time again I have been told that I should sue my family for damages. I think I will take this advice.
We can not help you if you are in Halifax!
There are a lot of things anyone could do to help. Maybe even offer a little sympathy. But it looks like once again I am screwed and left to hang dry.
Perhaps Carol could wire me the money she collected from selling my Creative Memories supplies.
Perhaps Janet could pay for the electronic equipment she "borrowed" when all my stuff was put in storage at a cost to me of over $300 a month when they decided that my arrangements were not to my families liking. Perhaps Janet could wire me my birthday and Christmas gift without any strings attached so at least I could make a move some where.
Or you could wire me some money as a loan with a lien on it so I could at least not be out on the street in the next couple of months. But I know that would be just too much to ask from anyone in my family. I may not pay them back and then what would happen. You could offer me a place to stay until I get in contact with a lawyer to stop these unjust procedures that the Guardianship is putting on me.
Maybe you could just be on my side and ask me how can I help.
I would like to know Mother who you are talking to? I know this is not coming from you.
Thank You Lesa once more you will ruin a winter for me. How come you always manage to get out of trouble? I imagine you will do it again. This is my last e-mail to you. I have begged you to do the right thing. Good BYE
Repeat go Home!
Get some help you are very Manic!
Thank you. I will think of this reply when we are on the streets, when my house is being foreclosed. I will remember this and I will remember how helpful my family has been. I will remember all the good things my family has done for me. I will remember how much support they offered me. I will remember the time I was kicked out of my sisters house with no where to go. I will remember the time I was brought to a mental institution and no one visited me for weeks even though I had no clothes. I will remember all the times I have taken members of my family in and asked for nothing in return. I will remember working for Diane and be treated like her servant and then when I wanted to leave she told me I didn't fulfill my contact. I have many things to remember.
You have begged me to do the right thing. What is the right thing? You know my predicament.
My family has ruined more than one winter for me. And no one can see this. Now you are trying to ruin my life. You won't ... don't worry about that. How do I always manage to get out of trouble despite my families interference is beyond me? I guess I have someone up above looking after me.
It certainly hasn't been my family. Most people I know think I should sue you guys. I think maybe they are right.
Thank you very much.
Why do you keep sending us all these emails if you do not want anything to do with us? We are just as confused as you are?
I thought perhaps I should forewarn you that it has been the Public Guardians' intention from day one to sell our home. You mentioned that the possibility of foreclosure was very scary to you. The last thing we wanted, as I have told you, was to get our tenants involved but this has also been taken out of my control. If you are worried about the house being sold it now looks like a foregone conclusion. As you know, Al and I do not want to sell the house. It is a source of income for us which now has been stolen. I will forward you the correspondence I have had with them through email.
What these people tell you and what is actually the truth often does not agree. I would strongly suggest you get some legal advice. I know there are many rights that renters have as I have investigated this myself.
I am sending you some information in order for you to know what I am up against and also for you to know who you are involved with. I found this information in no time. I am sure it is just the tip of the iceberg.
If you want to shake hands with the devil perhaps you should understand him first.
As I said before, you've been a wonderful landlady and very kind to me and Ruby. And I need you to stop trying to involve me in your affairs. You may not know that I was a lawyer before I became a therapist so I don't need any legal advice and I'm aware of my rights and obligations.
My understanding is that this house was moments away from foreclosure because the mortgage is in serious arrears, way more than the 2 weeks you say. It's also my understanding that the Public Guardian's office has negotiated with the bank to stave off foreclosure, though it still looms as a possibility if the mortgage cannot be brought up to date. In any event, foreclosure or no foreclosure, I'll take care of myself and I'll be fine.
To tell you the truth, if I would hold anyone accountable for this brink of foreclosure business, it would be Dominic who I believe bamboozled you into believing that this property was going to pay for itself and, my guess is, organized some inappropriate and less-than-standard financing for you. He should have known better and behaved with more integrity.
Take care of yourself,
No need to worry I will not involve you any more in my affairs. I was, believe it or not, trying to be helpful.
And if you wish to believe the Public Guardian, go ahead. But they are lying once again.
I have the records to prove it and it will eventually come out.
As for Dominic, I was not aware of what was actually going on, namely that the Public Guardian was involved when my mortgage was in arrears by two weeks and foreclosure procedures started. Domenic in fact was trying to be helpful and has been. I would hate to see his reputation tarnished as mine has been.
Lesa, Al and T2